Today we are in conversation with investigative reporter and documentary filmmaker John Carlos Frey. He grew up at the US-Mexico border witnessing how the border has been militarized in a non-declared war in the last 30 years. He has dedicated his award-winning journalistic carer to covering border issues. We discuss the history about how we have got to where we are now concerning immigration issues and the role a Democratic president played in it during the 1990’s. John Carlos Frey is the author of the new book Sand and Blood: America’s Stealth War on the Mexico Border (Hachette /Bold Type Books, 2019).