Today, our host Mitch Jeserich is in conversation with Madeleine O’Dea about her new book The Phoenix Years: Art, Resistance and the Making of Modern China, which discusses the history of China since the death of Mao in 1976 in terms of the political and artistic movements that reinforced one another. O’Dea is a veteran journalist who has lived in China for an extended period over the last three decades and her knowledge of modern Chinese political and artistic history is unparalleled. As Trump gears up to meet with Xi Jinping this week, we discuss the nuances of and developments taking place in contemporary China.