What if one of California’s most highly celebrated pathways for achieving ‘decarbonization’ could actually increase pressure on increasingly rare tropical forests? To look into this contradiction Terra Verde welcomes Dr Chris Malins, the founder of the private consultancy Cerulogy. In the interview we learn of his research on the global land use impacts resulting from providing feedstocks for the increased production of liquid biofuels across the United States, including at refineries in the San Francisco Bay Area.