Guest: Rena Steinzor is Edward M. Robertson Professor of Law at the University of Maryland Carey Law School. She is the author of Why Not Jail? (2014), The People’s Agents and the Battle to Protect the American Public (2010), Mother Earth and Uncle Sam (2007); and her latest, American Apocalypse: The Six Far-Right Groups Waging War on Democracy (2024). She is a former president of the Center for Progressive Reform.