In this episode we hear an interview with Chris Lehmann, author of The Money Cult: Capitalism, Christianity and the Unmaking of the American Dream, about the history of American Protestantism’s obsession with financial prosperity, megachurches, and Donald Trump’s worship of positive thinking.

Then we hear an interview with Gabriel Thompson, a journalist who wrote the first biography of legendary organizer Fred Ross, entitled America’s Social Arsonist: Fred Ross and Grassroots Organizing in the Twentieth Century.